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Рональд Дэвид Лэйнг — шотландский психиатр, много писавший о заболеваниях психики, в первую очередь о переживаниях во время психоза. Один из четырёх ведущих идеологов движения антипсихиатрии, наряду с Мишелем Фуко, Франко Базальей и Томасом Сасом. Политически относился к «новым левым» и имел репутацию «кислотного марксиста».

Взгляды Лэйнга на причины и методы лечения психических расстройств, выработанные под влиянием философии экзистенциализма, шли вразрез с положениями психиатрии. Рассматривая поведение каждого пациента как правомерное выражение личной свободы и отражение переживаемого опыта или внутренней реальности, а не симптомы заболевания, он отрицал все критерии, отделяющие психическое здоровье от психического расстройства, которые пытается установить академическая психиатрия.

Рассматривая понятие шизофрении как идеологическое ограничение, делающее возможными принудительные взаимоотношения между пациентами и психиатрами, Лэйнг писал:



Понятие шизофрении — это оковы, сковывающие пациентов и психиатров. <…> Для того чтобы сидеть в клетке, не всегда нужны прутья. Определенного рода идеи также могут стать клеткой. Двери психиатрических больниц открываются потому, что химическое сдерживание более эффективно. Двери наших умов открыть гораздо сложнее.

✵ 7. Октябрь 1927 – 23. Август 1989   •   Другие имена R. D. Laing
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“I see you, and you see me. I experience you, and you experience me. I see your behaviour. You see my behaviour. But I do not and never have and never will see your experience of me. Just as you cannot "see" my experience of you.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), Ch. 1 : Experience as evidence
Контексте: I see you, and you see me. I experience you, and you experience me. I see your behaviour. You see my behaviour. But I do not and never have and never will see your experience of me. Just as you cannot "see" my experience of you. My experience of you is not "inside" me. It is simply you, as I experience you. And I do not experience you as inside me. Similarly, I take it that you do not experience me as inside you.
"My experience of you" is just another form of words for "you-as-l-experience-you", and "your experience of me" equals "me-as-you-experience-me". Your experience of me is not inside you and my experience of you is not inside me, but your experience of me is invisible to me and my experience of you is invisible to you.

“We can see other people's behaviour, but not their experience.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Ch. 1 : Experience as evidence http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/laing.htm
The Politics of Experience (1967)
Контексте: Even facts become fictions without adequate ways of seeing "the facts". We do not need theories so much as the experience that is the source of the theory. We are not satisfied with faith, in the sense of an implausible hypothesis irrationally held: we demand to experience the "evidence".
We can see other people's behaviour, but not their experience. This has led some people to insist that psychology has nothing to do with the other person's experience, but only with his behaviour.
The other person's behaviour is an experience of mine. My behaviour is an experience of the other. The task of social phenomenology is to relate my experience of the other's behaviour to the other's experience of my behaviour. Its study is the relation between experience and experience: its true field is inter-experience.

“I shall try to show that there is a comprehensible transition from the sane schizoid way of being-in-the-world to a psychotic way of being-in-the-world.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Divided Self

Источник: The Divided Self (1960), Ch. 1 : The existential-phenomenological foundations for a science of persons
Контексте: Existential phenomenology attempts to characterize the nature of a person's experience of his world and himself. It is not so much an attempt to describe particular objects of his experience as to set all particular experiences within the context of his whole being-in-his-world. The mad things said and done by the schizophrenic will remain essentially a closed book if one does not understand their existential context. In describing one way of going mad, I shall try to show that there is a comprehensible transition from the sane schizoid way of being-in-the-world to a psychotic way of being-in-the-world. Although retaining the terms schizoid and schizophrenic for the sane and psychotic positions respectively, I shall not, of course, be using these terms in their usual clinical psychiatric frame of reference, but phenomenologically and existentially.

“There is little conjunction of truth and social "reality"”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 1 of Introduction
Контексте: Few books today are forgivable. Black on canvas, silence on the screen, an empty white sheet of paper are perhaps feasible. There is little conjunction of truth and social "reality". Around us are pseudo-events, to which we adjust with a false consciousness adapted to see these events as true and real, and even as beautiful. In the society of men the truth resides now less in what things are than in what they are not. Our social realities are so ugly if seen in the light of exiled truth, and beauty is almost no longer possible if it is not a lie. What is to be done? We who are still half alive, living in the often fibrillating heartland of a senescent capitalism — can we do more than reflect the decay around and within us? Can we do more than sing our sad and bitter songs of disillusion and defeat? The requirement of the present, the failure of the past, is the same: to provide a thoroughly self-conscious and self-critical human account of man.

“Insanity — a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world.”

As quoted in Wisdom for the Soul : Five Millennia of Prescriptions for Spiritual Healing (2006) by Larry Chang, p. 412; this might be a paraphrase, as the earliest occurrence of this phrase thus far located is in the form: "Ronald David Laing has shocked many people when he suggested in 1972 that insanity can be a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world." in Studii de literatură română și comparată (1984), by The Faculty of Philology-History at Universitatea din Timișoara. A clear citation to Laing's own work has not yet been found.
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“We are all murderers and prostitutes — no matter to what culture, society, class, nation, we belong, no matter how normal, moral, or mature we take ourselves to be.
Humanity is estranged from its authentic possibilities.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 2 of Introduction
Контексте: We are all murderers and prostitutes — no matter to what culture, society, class, nation, we belong, no matter how normal, moral, or mature we take ourselves to be.
Humanity is estranged from its authentic possibilities. This basic vision prevents us from taking any unequivocal view of the sanity of common sense, or of the madness of the so-called madman. … Our alientation goes to the roots. The realisation of this is the essential springboard for any serious reflection on any aspect of present inter-human life.

“Existential phenomenology attempts to characterize the nature of a person's experience of his world and himself.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Divided Self

Источник: The Divided Self (1960), Ch. 1 : The existential-phenomenological foundations for a science of persons
Контексте: Existential phenomenology attempts to characterize the nature of a person's experience of his world and himself. It is not so much an attempt to describe particular objects of his experience as to set all particular experiences within the context of his whole being-in-his-world. The mad things said and done by the schizophrenic will remain essentially a closed book if one does not understand their existential context. In describing one way of going mad, I shall try to show that there is a comprehensible transition from the sane schizoid way of being-in-the-world to a psychotic way of being-in-the-world. Although retaining the terms schizoid and schizophrenic for the sane and psychotic positions respectively, I shall not, of course, be using these terms in their usual clinical psychiatric frame of reference, but phenomenologically and existentially.

“Experience used to be called The Soul. Experience as invisibility of man to man is at the same time more evident than anything.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), Ch. 1 : Experience as evidence
Контексте: I cannot experience your experience. You cannot experience my experience. We are both invisible men. All men are invisible to one another. Experience used to be called The Soul. Experience as invisibility of man to man is at the same time more evident than anything. Only experience is evident. Experience is the only evidence. Psychology is the logos of experience. Psychology is the structure of the evidence, and hence psychology is the science of sciences.

“Few books today are forgivable.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 1 of Introduction
Контексте: Few books today are forgivable. Black on canvas, silence on the screen, an empty white sheet of paper are perhaps feasible. There is little conjunction of truth and social "reality". Around us are pseudo-events, to which we adjust with a false consciousness adapted to see these events as true and real, and even as beautiful. In the society of men the truth resides now less in what things are than in what they are not. Our social realities are so ugly if seen in the light of exiled truth, and beauty is almost no longer possible if it is not a lie. What is to be done? We who are still half alive, living in the often fibrillating heartland of a senescent capitalism — can we do more than reflect the decay around and within us? Can we do more than sing our sad and bitter songs of disillusion and defeat? The requirement of the present, the failure of the past, is the same: to provide a thoroughly self-conscious and self-critical human account of man.

“These forces are mainly concerned with destroying most of its potentialities, and on the whole this enterprise is successful.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 58
Контексте: Long before a thermonuclear war can come about, we have had to lay waste our own sanity. We begin with the children. It is imperative to catch them in time. Without the most thorough and rapid brainwashing their dirty minds would see through our dirty tricks. Children are not yet fools, but we shall turn them into imbeciles like ourselves, with high I. Q. s if possible.
From the moment of birth, when the Stone Age baby confronts the twentieth-century mother, the baby is subjected to these forces of violence, called love, as its mother and father, and their parents and their parents before them, have been. These forces are mainly concerned with destroying most of its potentialities, and on the whole this enterprise is successful.

“Even facts become fictions without adequate ways of seeing "the facts". We do not need theories so much as the experience that is the source of the theory.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Ch. 1 : Experience as evidence http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/laing.htm
The Politics of Experience (1967)
Контексте: Even facts become fictions without adequate ways of seeing "the facts". We do not need theories so much as the experience that is the source of the theory. We are not satisfied with faith, in the sense of an implausible hypothesis irrationally held: we demand to experience the "evidence".
We can see other people's behaviour, but not their experience. This has led some people to insist that psychology has nothing to do with the other person's experience, but only with his behaviour.
The other person's behaviour is an experience of mine. My behaviour is an experience of the other. The task of social phenomenology is to relate my experience of the other's behaviour to the other's experience of my behaviour. Its study is the relation between experience and experience: its true field is inter-experience.

“Long before a thermonuclear war can come about, we have had to lay waste our own sanity. We begin with the children. It is imperative to catch them in time. Without the most thorough and rapid brainwashing their dirty minds would see through our dirty tricks.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 58
Контексте: Long before a thermonuclear war can come about, we have had to lay waste our own sanity. We begin with the children. It is imperative to catch them in time. Without the most thorough and rapid brainwashing their dirty minds would see through our dirty tricks. Children are not yet fools, but we shall turn them into imbeciles like ourselves, with high I. Q. s if possible.
From the moment of birth, when the Stone Age baby confronts the twentieth-century mother, the baby is subjected to these forces of violence, called love, as its mother and father, and their parents and their parents before them, have been. These forces are mainly concerned with destroying most of its potentialities, and on the whole this enterprise is successful.

“Social phenomenology is the science of my own and of others' experience.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), Ch. 1 : Experience as evidence
Контексте: Social phenomenology is the science of my own and of others' experience. It is concerned with the relation between my experience of you and your experience of me. That is, with inter-experience. It is concerned with your behaviour and my behaviour as I experience it, and your and my behaviour as you experience it.

“We are effectively destroying ourselves by violence masquerading as love.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 58
Контексте: We are effectively destroying ourselves by violence masquerading as love. I am a specialist, God help me, in events in inner space and time, in experiences called thoughts, images, reveries, dreams, visions, hallucinations, dreams of memories, memories of dreams, memories of visions, dreams of hallucinations, refractions of refractions of refractions of that original Alpha and Omega of experience and reality, that Reality on whose repression, denial, splitting, projection, falsification, and general desecration and profanation our civilisation as much as anything is based.

“What is to be done? We who are still half alive, living in the often fibrillating heartland of a senescent capitalism — can we do more than reflect the decay around and within us? Can we do more than sing our sad and bitter songs of disillusion and defeat?”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 1 of Introduction
Контексте: Few books today are forgivable. Black on canvas, silence on the screen, an empty white sheet of paper are perhaps feasible. There is little conjunction of truth and social "reality". Around us are pseudo-events, to which we adjust with a false consciousness adapted to see these events as true and real, and even as beautiful. In the society of men the truth resides now less in what things are than in what they are not. Our social realities are so ugly if seen in the light of exiled truth, and beauty is almost no longer possible if it is not a lie. What is to be done? We who are still half alive, living in the often fibrillating heartland of a senescent capitalism — can we do more than reflect the decay around and within us? Can we do more than sing our sad and bitter songs of disillusion and defeat? The requirement of the present, the failure of the past, is the same: to provide a thoroughly self-conscious and self-critical human account of man.

“I cannot experience your experience. You cannot experience my experience. We are both invisible men.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), Ch. 1 : Experience as evidence
Контексте: I cannot experience your experience. You cannot experience my experience. We are both invisible men. All men are invisible to one another. Experience used to be called The Soul. Experience as invisibility of man to man is at the same time more evident than anything. Only experience is evident. Experience is the only evidence. Psychology is the logos of experience. Psychology is the structure of the evidence, and hence psychology is the science of sciences.

“The other person's behaviour is an experience of mine. My behaviour is an experience of the other.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Ch. 1 : Experience as evidence http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/laing.htm
The Politics of Experience (1967)
Контексте: Even facts become fictions without adequate ways of seeing "the facts". We do not need theories so much as the experience that is the source of the theory. We are not satisfied with faith, in the sense of an implausible hypothesis irrationally held: we demand to experience the "evidence".
We can see other people's behaviour, but not their experience. This has led some people to insist that psychology has nothing to do with the other person's experience, but only with his behaviour.
The other person's behaviour is an experience of mine. My behaviour is an experience of the other. The task of social phenomenology is to relate my experience of the other's behaviour to the other's experience of my behaviour. Its study is the relation between experience and experience: its true field is inter-experience.

“Psychology is the logos of experience. Psychology is the structure of the evidence, and hence psychology is the science of sciences.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), Ch. 1 : Experience as evidence
Контексте: I cannot experience your experience. You cannot experience my experience. We are both invisible men. All men are invisible to one another. Experience used to be called The Soul. Experience as invisibility of man to man is at the same time more evident than anything. Only experience is evident. Experience is the only evidence. Psychology is the logos of experience. Psychology is the structure of the evidence, and hence psychology is the science of sciences.

“There is no such "condition" as "schizophrenia," but the label is a social fact and the social fact a political event.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 121

“We live in a moment of history where change is so speeded up that we begin to see the present only when it is already disappearing.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 1 of Introduction

“Alienation as our present destiny is achieved only by outrageous violence perpetrated by human beings on human beings.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p. 3 of Introduction

“It is of fundamental importance not to make the positivist mistake of assuming that because a group’s members are in formation this means that they’re necessarily on course.”

Ronald David Laing книга The Politics of Experience

Источник: The Politics of Experience (1967), p.82 (of original version see Google Books link here https://books.google.com/books?id=ZGTUlU5E5rAC&dq=politics+of+experience&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22positivist+mistake%22)

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